red vs. blue

why do alot of people on this website seem to be against red vs. blue? it's not liek it's bad. it is actually pretty funny. or is it one of those it's popular so i don't like it?... people seem to either really liek it alot or completely loath it. i would iek to know why so post here.

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A taste that's product of similar qualities I guess. I'm sure a good number of people here hate them just to hate them. I stopped laughing at the show up to Episode 20, then just had my fill at 30. I think strangerhood is absolute dog trash and I can live without seeing this infamous "good past episode 3" PANICS. Ontop of that I'm extremely annoyed by the characteristics of most rvb fans. I don't like the production team, I don't like the production name and I really dont like when they speak for the machinima community.

I saw one of the recent red vs blue episodes not to long ago just to see where they're at in their filmmaking ability and I was kind of amazed how stupid I thought it was.

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I enjoyed RvB through most of the first season. But the show began to repeat itself and now they are just flogging a dead horse. It no longer became funny to me and the writing began to decline. The massive hype on the show doesn't help. I usually react badly to hype. And the huge (I mean HUGE) amount of really bad attempts to copy the show is extremely annoying. We see it every week here at machinima.com. Sure, it's not Rooster Teeth's fault, but my resentment spills over into their show. It' not fair, but there it is.

I still recommend the first 20 or so episodes to friends I've introduced to machinima. Perhaps I should go back and watch the first season again........

Nah..

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While I don't hate RvB, when it came out it was already a rehash of old machinima comedy style. (See: CTF A Comedy In Armour. I honestly thought that RvB was a tribute to this, until I asked Burnie about it in '03.) Nothing special to me. I'm glad for their wild success, and still grateful for their work in bringing in fresh blood. Wink

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	Apparatus wrote:
	why do alot of people on this website seem to be against red vs. blue? it's not liek it's bad. it is actually pretty funny. or is it one of those it's popular so i don't like it?... people seem to either really liek it alot or completely loath it. i would iek to know why so post here.

It's worth some honest self-analysis for all of us. I think some people resent Rooster Teeth's success. (No, I am not talking about any prior posters to this thread nor do I have anybody in particular in mind at all). I don't know why, but it's very vogue right now to resent achievement in just about any form.

The RvB guys are living a dream that only a handful of machinima makers have been able to realize: they are doing machinima for a living. Some people's response to that is to applaud it, to try to learn from another's success in some way. Others just hate it because... it's not them or their work that is getting that kind of attention. They write it off to luck, they make cliche statements about the stupidity of the masses.

For people of this mindset, the resentment is ultimately borne of an arrogance that they or their friends are more deserving of attention / adulation than those other people.

The resentment also has, as a prerequisite, a flawed understanding of success as some finite pool of which there's only so much to go around, and it's all hoarded by people who cheated their way to the top. Often, you find, they'll have the exact same philosophy about money.

It's unfortunate, because there doesn't seem to be much in the way of payoff for this mindset. Everyone I know who has this leaning is miserable, always pessimistic, always the first to bitch about this or that problem but never offering any solutions. And they aren't really achieving anything with their lives.

Anyway, that certainly doesn't apply to everyone who hates RvB. But it's a general trend out there that is, well it's just too bad.

Some folks just hate RvB for its apparent technical simplicity, others just don't enjoy that style of humor or dialogue. For still others, it's just a matter of "enough already".

I happen to find RvB funny, in spite of part of me wanting to dislike it just because it's so popular. I think it's very well written and acted for what they're trying to do, especially in the first couple seasons as gToon mentioned. And they really crank out material, faster than most machinimists have time to do; I respect that. And ultimately, the attention they bring to machinima has the potential to benefit us all, so I feel some gratitude in that regard.

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Rooster Teeth and RvB are at the very top of the machinima world. There's just no debating it. That alone can breed some jealousy, as well as the usual "haters" that just hate anything popular.

They are at the top, but they aren't exactly Spielberg. So while they are the most successful machinima group, there's also lots of room for criticism. And when you're at the top, you'll receive twice as much criticism as you deserve.

I liken it to the "George Lucas" effect. Other than Spielberg, he's the most successful filmmaker of all time. In some ways you could argue he is the most successful. Yet any way you look at it, Lucas is no Spielberg when it comes to filmmaking. There's lots of room to criticize Lucas, and it gets magnified a great deal due to his success. It happens in lots of fields. Michael Crichton in literature, for example.

Then add the fact that machinima is a pretty small and personal community, and the criticism takes on a very personal and thus hostile tone.

Nature of the beast. I'm far from their biggest fan, but I do think they receive more criticism than they deserve.

That's something I forgot to mention; gratitude for bringing machinima to a larger audience and its spill-over to the rest of us. Overman is right about that. And they are a decent bunch of guys. I've been in their forums and they've always been cool and helpful.

As for resentment, sure, there's a certain amount of that. Anyone who is honest with themselves will say, "I sure wish that had happened to me"? But it's really more about the work for me. Rooster Teeth, in their rush to pump out more product, seems to have lost their desire to create original works? Take their F.E.A.R. episodes, for example. Rather than do something new with the series, something more in line with the style and tone of the game, they just do RvB in the FEAR engine. I suppose it's the easiest choice, but why not do something more interesting? They could taken a new direction with that show and taught us all something, but they went the safe route.

The source of my dislike of Rooster Teeth's later productions isn't in jealousy or resentment, but in a disappoinment at their not following up on their obvious collective talent. They are too accepting of their own increasing mediocrity. With the money they are making and the time they have, why not do something no one else has done? They could be leading the machinima community. Why aren't they?

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I'm not sure I can confirm any collective resentment in the community. From what I've seen most people watched and enjoyed most of the first season. I myself got to about episode 17 then started getting kinda of bored of it for various reasons. Then of course, I saw one Strangerhood, and never watched another.

I think what might be mistaken for resentment is

1. Theres a ridiculously huge amount of hype around RvB which some people (myself included) don't really see the reason for. I never thought it was THAT good.

2. RvB ununtentionally spawned what was at the time, a seemingly endless number of bad copycat films that I think have damaged RvB's reputation somewhat.

3. There seems to be this kind of "Anything Rooster Teeth touch turns to gold" feeling going around, and some people are still just stumped as to why this is.

Especially while the question of whether they are actually capable of better is still unanswered. As gToon noted FEAR was just RvB in a different engine. I've always been of that opinion.
It's litterally a phenomenon, which is why there are so many opinions on it, and why this thread has had no problem getting posts.

I think their early success was because they used a popular game to not only make something funny, but to make something they could release frequently, and consistantly. Thats something nobody else has been able to do IMO.
As for why the success continues, I think only someone who is still a fan can answer that. And we all know there's no shortage.

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Why can't someone dislike something because its no good or because they really don't like it? I have rarely been able to ever say that I hated something and someone not pop off with some stupid line about me being a hater or being jealous.

I will admit that a few of the first season's episode's had their moments, and I have tried a few times to get back into watching it. If I do end up trying to watch it, not once do I laugh or really do anything but wonder why I wasted my time.

No, I don't hate Rooster Teeth because they are making a living off making machinima. That is not a dream, goal, or aspiration for me. I don't dislike them at all, but I do think that everything they produce is garbage. It is really below my standards in entertainment. The real way to test if you like something or not is whether or not you would pay money for it. I wouldn't pay money for Red vs Blue. And yes, I would be willing to pay for some of the better machinima out there. These films will remain nameless to avoid ego fluffing. Very Happy

Yes, people hate things because they don't like them. Yes, there are people who resent success. Those people do not account for everyone. Stop being moronic about it.

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ninety-nine, re-reading the thread I don't see anyone who talked about "haters" or "resentment" that didn't say, either explicitly or implicitly, "This isn't everyone." Your response reads like you feel attacked, I'm not sure why. Take it easy.

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It appeared to me that it was insinuated, specifically with the orginal poster, that the first thought to mind was resentment rather than pure taste. If that is not the case then I am sorry.

By the way, Overman, I cannot figure out what that is in your avatar. What is it?

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As someone who is an unabashed RvB fan, even though they've had their creative slumps, to be honest, I think a lot of why on these forums there's a lot of "distaste" (and that can mean both jealousy and also just a lack of enjoying Rooster Teeth's flavor) is that simply, the type of humor they pull off is not the type these people prefer.

I don't mean to sound offensive to those who've already posted. You guys have your opinions and hey, that's fine, you don't like it. I feel it's a pity and I wish we could all share in the joy of this type of comedy but hell, what do I know?

I do think the popularity is what changed it. It's not just because it's popular but that the change occurred and it went from small-group to well-known group.

Not to mention, RvB is random as hell. There's many episodes which are plain boring with little-to-no-humor in them. I've stayed with it this entire time and still compulsively download every new episode (Strangerhood can kiss my ass though - what a piece of junk), but there are times I've been quite disappointed by it. Not just as a fan of machinima but as a fan of their comedy style. Sometimes their jokes don't hit. Sometimes they need a break and don't take it. :\ I know the change to Halo 2 kinda screwed them over, since it took a loooooooong time to get good again.

There's things that could be said for them to start improving the show, partly being that they need to experiment with different types of Machinima to recharge their comedy batteries (not to mention grow the fuck up once in awhile) and partly that they need to use the engines they're utilizing a bit more on the visual side; but ya know, whatever. I dig what I got with it and I'll continue to.

I dunno, that's just my $.25

And yeah, 99 - dude, chill. It's cool, man. Dislike it all ya want, just don't force that dislike on others.

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atleast they do the show in halo instead of an engine I like. Very Happy

I'll pay them money to stay away from engines I got my eye on.

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I think the reason i was turned off by it was the amount of (terrible) "fan films" it spawned afterwards. At one point, films like that were the only being produced, luckily that has changed.

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I have no idea why other people on this site might not like it ... but I, quite honestly, never found it all that funny. I watched roughly the first 3 episodes ... that's it. And yes, I'll admit that a hint of jelousy got the better of me every time I saw them mentioned in a news article or press releasing and thought "They're still making that show? What the hell?"

I wish that other videogame companies would support machinima the way that microsoft supported the RvB team, though.